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==Level 24==
 
==Level 24==
 
Hey I just recently found your game and am stuck at level 24... I guess that there have to be blocks behind the water texture but I have no idea on how to figuere where are these... and I doubt it just comes to luck there. What am I missing? mfg DJGummikuh
 
Hey I just recently found your game and am stuck at level 24... I guess that there have to be blocks behind the water texture but I have no idea on how to figuere where are these... and I doubt it just comes to luck there. What am I missing? mfg DJGummikuh
:Just look closely and you will see there are single blocks to step on. You might want to ask on the [supertux.info/forums/ fansite forums] next time you need help, you'll get more responses there. --[[User:FlyingPenguins|FlyingPenguins]] 22:35, 29 Jul 2006 (BST)
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:Just look closely and you will see there are single blocks to step on. You might want to ask on the [http://supertux.info/forums/ fansite forums] next time you need help, you'll get more responses there. --[[User:FlyingPenguins|FlyingPenguins]] 22:35, 29 Jul 2006 (BST)
  
 
==Wiki external links==
 
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Also, just a suggestion, maybe it would be a good idea to upgrade this version of MediaWiki, to prevent any security vulnerabilities. --[[User:FlyingPenguins|FlyingPenguins]] 22:47, 29 Jul 2006 (BST)
 
Also, just a suggestion, maybe it would be a good idea to upgrade this version of MediaWiki, to prevent any security vulnerabilities. --[[User:FlyingPenguins|FlyingPenguins]] 22:47, 29 Jul 2006 (BST)
  
I would upgrade if the MySQL version of wasn't too old. This have been discussed in #supertux and there is [http ://developer.berlios.de/support/index.php?func=detailsupport&support_id=102138&group_id=1 a berlios bug] for it. Also [http ://developer.berlios.de/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=8012&group_id=1 this bug about php not available on shell.berlios.de] blocks the update. --[[User:AnMaster|AnMaster]] 00:21, 30 Jul 2006 (BST)
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I would upgrade if the MySQL version of wasn't too old. This have been discussed in #supertux and there is [http://developer.berlios.de/support/index.php?func=detailsupport&support_id=102138&group_id=1 a berlios bug] for it. Also [http ://developer.berlios.de/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=8012&group_id=1 this bug about php not available on shell.berlios.de] blocks the update. --[[User:AnMaster|AnMaster]] 00:21, 30 Jul 2006 (BST)
  
 
==Supertux being sold?!==
 
==Supertux being sold?!==
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::::The fishy part about all this is "Commercial part of license covers work and time spent to change source code and other resources to make SuperTux playable on Pocket PC platform.", if that commercial part goes into the binary and no source code is provided its a clear violation, otherwise its fine. -- [[User:Grumbel|Grumbel]] 06:31, 8 Aug 2006 (BST)
 
::::The fishy part about all this is "Commercial part of license covers work and time spent to change source code and other resources to make SuperTux playable on Pocket PC platform.", if that commercial part goes into the binary and no source code is provided its a clear violation, otherwise its fine. -- [[User:Grumbel|Grumbel]] 06:31, 8 Aug 2006 (BST)
 
:::::The GPL in section 2 part b says, "You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third    parties under the terms of this License." or in English, "If you make a program out of this one, it has to be licensed under the GPL only."
 
:::::The GPL in section 2 part b says, "You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third    parties under the terms of this License." or in English, "If you make a program out of this one, it has to be licensed under the GPL only."
::::::Since they're charging money for all of it except the demo (and they're not distributing the source with it), not to mention they're selling it as a download and not a CD, this is a violation. Course of action? Someone should make them aware of this, a "cease-and-desist" email if nothing else. By the way, check this out: [yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/09/23/1655248.shtml GNUs fighting back!]--[[User:Djwings|DJ Wings]][[User_talk:Djwings|<sub>Freesyle here</sub>]] 17:04, 24 Sep 2006 (BST)
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::::::Since they're charging money for all of it except the demo (and they're not distributing the source with it), not to mention they're selling it as a download and not a CD, this is a violation. Course of action? Someone should make them aware of this, a "cease-and-desist" email if nothing else. By the way, check this out: [http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/09/23/1655248.shtml GNUs fighting back!]--[[User:Djwings|DJ Wings]][[User_talk:Djwings|<sub>Freesyle here</sub>]] 17:04, 24 Sep 2006 (BST)
 
:I can see no problem with that. All the source code is included in the /supertux/qvgadata/distr/st_src.tar.bz2 so everyone can download it and play for free. Is there any other problem? --member of oldray.net
 
:I can see no problem with that. All the source code is included in the /supertux/qvgadata/distr/st_src.tar.bz2 so everyone can download it and play for free. Is there any other problem? --member of oldray.net
 
::That is fine to me as long as you a. relicense what you have done to GPL, and b. clearly advertise where the source is on your website.  Even better would be to let us keep a SVN repository, then you become an unofficial official maintainer of it, or merge it with main ST using #ifdef wherever. --[[User:Tuxdev|Tuxdev]] 17:51, 25 Sep 2006 (BST)
 
::That is fine to me as long as you a. relicense what you have done to GPL, and b. clearly advertise where the source is on your website.  Even better would be to let us keep a SVN repository, then you become an unofficial official maintainer of it, or merge it with main ST using #ifdef wherever. --[[User:Tuxdev|Tuxdev]] 17:51, 25 Sep 2006 (BST)
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I found superburgerworld on source forge and all it is is supertux w/ a few titles and images cahnged!
 
I found superburgerworld on source forge and all it is is supertux w/ a few titles and images cahnged!
 
: Mind giving us a link? Also, did you look for copied code?--[[User:Djwings|DJ Wings]][[User_talk:Djwings|<sub>Freesyle here</sub>]] 02:43, 28 Sep 2006 (CEST)
 
: Mind giving us a link? Also, did you look for copied code?--[[User:Djwings|DJ Wings]][[User_talk:Djwings|<sub>Freesyle here</sub>]] 02:43, 28 Sep 2006 (CEST)
::I did a Google search and found superburgerwld.sourceforge.net. I also downloaded and went through the game a bit; it is exactly the same as the main world of SuperTux 0.1.3. However, it credits refer to the game being based off SuperTux (in fact, its credits include ''all'' of the original credits from the original game, even the "Milestone 2 is on its way..." part). The levels are exactly the same, with the level names and the some of the graphics changed, but the names of the authors of the original SuperTux levels remain. --[[User:FlyingPenguins|FlyingPenguins]] 04:57, 28 Sep 2006 (CEST)
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::I did a Google search and found http://superburgerwld.sourceforge.net. I also downloaded and went through the game a bit; it is exactly the same as the main world of SuperTux 0.1.3. However, it credits refer to the game being based off SuperTux (in fact, its credits include ''all'' of the original credits from the original game, even the "Milestone 2 is on its way..." part). The levels are exactly the same, with the level names and the some of the graphics changed, but the names of the authors of the original SuperTux levels remain. --[[User:FlyingPenguins|FlyingPenguins]] 04:57, 28 Sep 2006 (CEST)
 
::: I'd say that's because of laziness on the "developer"'s part, and not giving credit. This guy is BSing too many people. The site doesn't give ANY credit to us Tuxers, and it's basically a complete ripoff with a few level titles changed and some added graphics that look like a 2-year-old scrawled them. I mean, honestly, they didn't even mod the Dark Snow tileset OR the Cave background, OR almost anything else. By the way, almost EVERYTHING that was in SuperTux that doesn't belong in SBW is still in there (images/backgrounds, the Tux icon in the Level Editor, the names of a lot of images...). The file for the non-Whopper burger is still "smalltux-right-1.png". That's laziness, not credit. Now, I posted a *clean* comment on their site. It's awaiting moderation, and it'll show up, if it does at all, as "Annoyed Tuxer" or something. The name suits me quite well right now. See the title of my edit for more info. --[[User:Djwings|DJ Wings]][[User_talk:Djwings|<sub>Freesyle here</sub>]] 00:16, 29 Sep 2006 (CEST)
 
::: I'd say that's because of laziness on the "developer"'s part, and not giving credit. This guy is BSing too many people. The site doesn't give ANY credit to us Tuxers, and it's basically a complete ripoff with a few level titles changed and some added graphics that look like a 2-year-old scrawled them. I mean, honestly, they didn't even mod the Dark Snow tileset OR the Cave background, OR almost anything else. By the way, almost EVERYTHING that was in SuperTux that doesn't belong in SBW is still in there (images/backgrounds, the Tux icon in the Level Editor, the names of a lot of images...). The file for the non-Whopper burger is still "smalltux-right-1.png". That's laziness, not credit. Now, I posted a *clean* comment on their site. It's awaiting moderation, and it'll show up, if it does at all, as "Annoyed Tuxer" or something. The name suits me quite well right now. See the title of my edit for more info. --[[User:Djwings|DJ Wings]][[User_talk:Djwings|<sub>Freesyle here</sub>]] 00:16, 29 Sep 2006 (CEST)
  
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(Sorry, had to break the links to allow me to post the entry - if I could have posted without affecting them, I would have done)
 
(Sorry, had to break the links to allow me to post the entry - if I could have posted without affecting them, I would have done)
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:I am not a developer, but since no one has responded for a while, I would like to say that you generally can use anything in the game and modify it, since the game is open-source (as long as you're not copying ''everything''). It would be nice if you could credit SuperTux and the author of the graphics though. Still, wait until a developer responds before continuing.<br><br>BTW, I fixed the link. :) --[[User:FlyingPenguins|FlyingPenguins]] 07:33, 30 Sep 2006 (CEST)

Revision as of 22:33, 29 September 2006

Welcome to the SuperTux Community Discussion! Here you may talk about anything related to SuperTux or this wiki. To make a comment, click on the edit button on the top of the page.

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Website update?

I've built supertux from svn and saw all the great updates you guys have done. Don't you believe it's about time to let the world now a bit about it? Just like, let's say, a little piece of news with one or two screenshots on the front page, telling "we're not dead". Because I really thought supertux was a dying project, before managing to compile svn version. --polyprograms 17:15, 4 Sep 2006 (BST)

(note: sorry, I had to break links to be able to edit)

Level 24

Hey I just recently found your game and am stuck at level 24... I guess that there have to be blocks behind the water texture but I have no idea on how to figuere where are these... and I doubt it just comes to luck there. What am I missing? mfg DJGummikuh

Just look closely and you will see there are single blocks to step on. You might want to ask on the fansite forums next time you need help, you'll get more responses there. --FlyingPenguins 22:35, 29 Jul 2006 (BST)

Wiki external links

This is just a note: I have realised that on the wiki, whenever an anon or normal user edits a page with external links on it, it will be without the "http: //" part, essentially breaking the link. This can be troublesome for a page with lots of links on it. Sysops will then have to fill back the links.

Also, just a suggestion, maybe it would be a good idea to upgrade this version of MediaWiki, to prevent any security vulnerabilities. --FlyingPenguins 22:47, 29 Jul 2006 (BST)

I would upgrade if the MySQL version of wasn't too old. This have been discussed in #supertux and there is a berlios bug for it. Also [http ://developer.berlios.de/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=8012&group_id=1 this bug about php not available on shell.berlios.de] blocks the update. --AnMaster 00:21, 30 Jul 2006 (BST)

Supertux being sold?!

Has anybody else noticed that SuperTux is being sold at ClickGamer? The porters site is located here; www.oldray.net. Seems to also have made a one level demo available. While I know that the GPL permits this, I can't stand people it. I was planning to create a Pocket PC port before I found this. We should be able to get the source from this shouldn't we?

You can download a Pocket PC Binary there. They call it a demo. Anyway, its a binary based on our GPL Code. As fas as I understand the GPL they have to give the source to everyone who has a Binary. --62.214.230.124 15:03, 2 Aug 2006 (BST)
Is it possible to build the binary with the source included in the demo's .zip file?
No idea, but looks like they did not change the level format. So why not create a package from the demo which includes all levels for free? Can someone with the right hardware test if that works? --Superdev 16:08, 2 Aug 2006 (BST)
Just tested it on my PPC. All original SuperTux 0.1.3 levels work with the provided "demo" engine.
Seems like the source code included with the "demo" engine is only for the original, unaltered versions. This is in direct violation of the GPL which forbids linking GPLed code with proprietary code.
Not necessarily. They just have to give you the source if you ask for it, they don't have to ship it with the binary. So ask for it and if you don't get the source hand it over to gpl-violations.org.

BTW, my_defs.cpp does not look like original supertux code so better check again.

I think that the GPL is much more strict than that. I think it is against the license to modify the sources, and distribute those modifications without those modifications also falling under the GPL. Since those modifications apparently fall under a commercial license, it is already a GPL violation. By his own admittance, it is a derivative work. --Tuxdev 22:15, 4 Aug 2006 (BST)
No. The GPL allows for reselling GPLed software for profit. How else would people get away with selling pre-burned Linux CDs and DVDs? I know it sounds twisted, but there's nothing we can do. --DJ WingsFreesyle here 17:48, 10 Aug 2006 (BST)
The GPL says that you can sell GPL software for money, but only physically (on CD, not on the net).
Yes, the GPL allows selling GPLed software, but it clearly states that all derivative work must be distributed under the GPL, not any other license (the "commercial license", the website in question mentions).
The fishy part about all this is "Commercial part of license covers work and time spent to change source code and other resources to make SuperTux playable on Pocket PC platform.", if that commercial part goes into the binary and no source code is provided its a clear violation, otherwise its fine. -- Grumbel 06:31, 8 Aug 2006 (BST)
The GPL in section 2 part b says, "You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License." or in English, "If you make a program out of this one, it has to be licensed under the GPL only."
Since they're charging money for all of it except the demo (and they're not distributing the source with it), not to mention they're selling it as a download and not a CD, this is a violation. Course of action? Someone should make them aware of this, a "cease-and-desist" email if nothing else. By the way, check this out: GNUs fighting back!--DJ WingsFreesyle here 17:04, 24 Sep 2006 (BST)
I can see no problem with that. All the source code is included in the /supertux/qvgadata/distr/st_src.tar.bz2 so everyone can download it and play for free. Is there any other problem? --member of oldray.net
That is fine to me as long as you a. relicense what you have done to GPL, and b. clearly advertise where the source is on your website. Even better would be to let us keep a SVN repository, then you become an unofficial official maintainer of it, or merge it with main ST using #ifdef wherever. --Tuxdev 17:51, 25 Sep 2006 (BST)

To answer a few questions from above:

  • You do not need to put modifications of GPL'ed software under the GPL if you only use it internally. As soon as publish it, you need to.
  • You can sell the game over whatever medium you like.
  • You do not need to include the source code with the binary distribution, but you must provide a written offer for the source code, licenced under the GPL, via the same medium. In this case, a download.
  • Only a copyright holder is able to send a cease and desist. This means i can not send them any. Neither can Harald of www.gpl-violations.org. I am sure he will be more than happy to help you guys, send one, though. Each and everyone of you devs: Get together, contact Harald and make 'oldray' an unhappy dev.

If you have questions, get hold of me on irc.freenode.net -- RichiH 23:10, 25 Sep 2006 (BST)

supertux copy

I found superburgerworld on source forge and all it is is supertux w/ a few titles and images cahnged!

Mind giving us a link? Also, did you look for copied code?--DJ WingsFreesyle here 02:43, 28 Sep 2006 (CEST)
I did a Google search and found http://superburgerwld.sourceforge.net. I also downloaded and went through the game a bit; it is exactly the same as the main world of SuperTux 0.1.3. However, it credits refer to the game being based off SuperTux (in fact, its credits include all of the original credits from the original game, even the "Milestone 2 is on its way..." part). The levels are exactly the same, with the level names and the some of the graphics changed, but the names of the authors of the original SuperTux levels remain. --FlyingPenguins 04:57, 28 Sep 2006 (CEST)
I'd say that's because of laziness on the "developer"'s part, and not giving credit. This guy is BSing too many people. The site doesn't give ANY credit to us Tuxers, and it's basically a complete ripoff with a few level titles changed and some added graphics that look like a 2-year-old scrawled them. I mean, honestly, they didn't even mod the Dark Snow tileset OR the Cave background, OR almost anything else. By the way, almost EVERYTHING that was in SuperTux that doesn't belong in SBW is still in there (images/backgrounds, the Tux icon in the Level Editor, the names of a lot of images...). The file for the non-Whopper burger is still "smalltux-right-1.png". That's laziness, not credit. Now, I posted a *clean* comment on their site. It's awaiting moderation, and it'll show up, if it does at all, as "Annoyed Tuxer" or something. The name suits me quite well right now. See the title of my edit for more info. --DJ WingsFreesyle here 00:16, 29 Sep 2006 (CEST)

SuperTux graphics for other projects

Hi, I'm making a game whose only relation to SuperTux is that it features a penguin. Now, I'm not an artist, so I wondered if I could use the main SuperTux graphic, with modifications (like a collander for a helmet!) in my game. The game itself will be available online, it's a small HTML/CSS/JavaScript thing involving a penguin being fired out of a cannon (think like Fling The Cow, as was)

I just wanted to ask before I went ahead with it.

Thanks,

Peter Spicer

(Sorry, had to break the links to allow me to post the entry - if I could have posted without affecting them, I would have done)

I am not a developer, but since no one has responded for a while, I would like to say that you generally can use anything in the game and modify it, since the game is open-source (as long as you're not copying everything). It would be nice if you could credit SuperTux and the author of the graphics though. Still, wait until a developer responds before continuing.

BTW, I fixed the link. :) --FlyingPenguins 07:33, 30 Sep 2006 (CEST)